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I have had a few people ask me about my thoughts on the topic. I have talked quite a lot about it on twitter with random people who mostly oppose the American Atheist group bringing about the law suit. It seems a fairly large number of Atheists are upset about them bringing about the suit as well and feel they shouldn’t touch the topic. For anyone that may be unfamiliar with it (even though it’s been all over the news) you can check out this article: Atheists Sue to Block Display of Cross-Shaped Beam in 9/11 Museum To sum it up simply they want to move a “cross” that was found at ground zero to that National September 11th Memorial and Museum.
There are a few ways that people can look at this topic but generally I oppose this being placed into the museum and am glad that American Atheists are standing up against it. If you look it and accept it to be a symbol of Christianity it is a clear cut case of religion encroaching in to where it doesn’t belong. The symbol was previously displayed at a Catholic church. It has been “blessed” by several holy men. It has been adopted by Christianity and used as a symbol for their purposes.
There was one estimate I saw saying that over 1,000 of the victims of that day were not Christian. That is an extremely large portion of the victims and it would be an insult to them to display a symbol of a particular faith that is not theirs. It it not about “discriminating against Christians” it’s about not allowing them unequaled representation. It’s about not recognizing one faith over any others or giving one faith special prominence. It is about making sure it is fair to everyone and the only way to do that is to entirely leave the subject of religion out of it.
There are a lot of people looking at it from the view point that it was just another piece of rubble and that’s why it should be in the museum. If that is the case it is a more realistic view point but why chose this one particular piece? There are thousands and thousands of pieces of rubble and debris from the building why would we want to chose this one particular piece that has been hijacked by the religious factions of our country? Take a piece that does not have the ties that it does and that will not polarize people in the way that “blessed cross” would.
There are also many people that take completely unrealistic views to the whole thing that aren’t worth responding to. “Not having a cross there is offensive to Christians.” “If Atheists don’t even believe in God why do they even care.” (Because we want to maintain a secular society, obviously, not surprising that subtle yet important point would be lost on people.) “Atheists just hate America.” Many other ridiculously stupid statements that aren’t worth responding to.
The point comes down to this, it has been used as a Christian symbol. As a Christian symbol it should not be put into a national monument that is meant to be enjoyed by all people of all faiths and no faith. There are many other pieces that could be entered in its place so if you just want a piece of rubble from the aftermath there are thousands of alternative options. The only reason someone would insist it being this piece is because of the fact that it is a cross. The fact that they see it in that way is specifically the reason it should not be put in a public place. Feel free to bless it, keep it at church, hang Christmas lights from it, nail a little plastic Jesus to it, whatever you want in the religious setting, just keep your religious garbage out of the public square.
Religion is one of the leading factors in why the attacks took place on Sept. 11th. Atheists are one of the only groups in America right now willing to put themselves out there and force the country to remain secular the way it should be. If we allow religion to start encroaching once again into areas it doesn’t belong who knows how long it will be before we start hearing “holy war” thrown around again in realistic conversations. This just isn’t the right place for it, this isn’t the right piece, however you look at it, just keep it out.
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I think I’ve seen this floating around before but definitely good.
So I’ve noticed a few posts similar to this floating around. Talking about the backscatter scanners and the more invasive personal searches. Anyone who thinks that is what the terrorists had in mind is delusional with their idiocy. Do you really imagine they all gathered together and said how can we really stick it to America? Oh I know, we will make flying the biggest hassle in the world and a complete invasion of person privacy, that will show America. For Allah! Off they went to fly planes into buildings, all with the intention of the average American having to be groped to travel, really? Let’s be realistic for a minute. It’s fine to say you dislike the new security measures in airports, you can say it’s invasive and infringes on personal right, but anyone who says that the “terrorists won” when referring to something like this seriously has to pull their head out of their ass.
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Alright, so I have taken down my post that I made earlier linking the movie Zeitgeist. After having time to rethink it over and thanks to the always wise http://friendlyatheist.tumblr.com I have to retract my strong endorsement of the movie. It was short sighted and unwise of me to give the movie such praise when I knew there were at least some errors in the facts. After doing a bit more looking into it I realize that there are more incorrect facts than I had originally realized in all aspects. I do still feel strongly about all three topics that they discuss and encourage others to learn more about them. It is only fair though that you learn correct and factual information, it’s irresponsible for me to encourage others to learn incorrect information. I would still suggest for people to perhaps try watching the movie with a skeptical eye and then do more research on your own about the topics, but again, I should not of given it the endorsement I did. I apologize, and for anyone else who does or did support the movie like I did, I encourage you to take a look at just how many of the facts are either incorrect or greatly stretched to meet their means. Propaganda in any form is never acceptable, I apologize, and admit I was hasty with my post on it.
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Alright, so for those of you that may be new to following me. I do rant from time to time. Chances are this one is not going to a very popular one and may lose me some followers. With today being 9/11 though all throughout the internet people are sharing their thoughts and memories of this day. I’m going to speak my peace and although some may not like it, that’s never held me back from being honest. This is a fairly impromptu rant and I hope to keep it somewhat short.
First off the biggest thing to remember on this day is all the people that unnecessarily lost their lives. A total of over 3,000 people lost their lives. That is the saddest part of the whole instance and the main thing that needs to be remembered. The memory of the tragedy and the people that perished should never be forgotten.
With that being said though I believe that most of the people that died in those attacks would be ashamed to know what their deaths have been used to justify. A war in Iraq that only now is showing signs of ending. A war in Afghanistan that who knows if we will ever “win”. The death of thousands of US soldiers and innocent civilians in both countries. Turning large portions of this country into “Islamophobes”. Using their memories to justify further acts of hate and prejudice. To use their deaths as a way of justifying further death. I can’t help but feel this is not what these people would want their deaths to lead to.
I also think that we need to never stop asking about what really happened. We don’t know all the answers of the events on that day and maybe never will. We don’t know why tower 7 collapsed. We don’t know why the buildings fell in a controlled demolition pattern. We don’t know what happened to the planes that supposedly crashed into the pentagon and flight 93. There are many many events on that day that have no explanation, but need one. We know there are people that have these answers but based on the laughing stock that was the “9/11 committee” chances are we will never have them.
There are hundreds of other of questions that can be asked about the events of that day so I won’t bother to list them here. I’ve been told I’m unpatriotic and anti-American for the fact that I want to question what really happened. I am the type of person that examines events from a logical and reasonable stand point. The events of those days, the way they’ve been explained to us, aren’t logical. They don’t make sense, and to simply ignore asking the questions and accepting their deaths without knowing the true facts of the circumstances is disrespectful of their memory.
As I said I’ll try and keep this brief, and as I said I in no way want to disrespect the memory of so many who lost their lives. Every year though on this day, I remember the fear the country felt, the sadness we shared, and the ensuing madness that followed. There is no reason not to question the events of those day because as I said, they don’t make sense. I chose to not only remember all the people who died, but to still have the conviction to stand up and say “Why?” If anything, I feel this makes me more patriotic and more American, to always seek answers to the truth no matter what. I guess that’s just how I see things.
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Mock commercial for this Saturday’s “Burn a Quran” day. Sadly I wouldn’t be surprised if they loved it.
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