Do atheists who defend religion frustrate you as much as they do me? The people who are like, "Well, I don't believe in it, but not all religion is harmful and I see why it can be a comfort to others!" and constantly talk about how harmful it is to openly hate religion. Or the most annoying breed, "See, I USED to be an obnoxious militant atheist, but then I realized how hurtful I was being and changed my ways."
They certainly do frustrate me at times but it seems like a good discussion with an Atheist usually has a better chance of turning out well than a conversation with a theist. At least when you’re talking with another Atheist they will almost always agree to value logic and reason which is a huge step you may not easily get from a religious individual. There is much more chance to have a productive conversation focusing on the topics and facts when no one is going to throw faith in to it.
I can’t help but feel it is a little condescending when people say “religion is harmful but it can bring some good to some people”, as if these lowly simple minded fools are given a trinket to console them. If something is harmful and dangerous that is the point that is worth taking notice of regardless of how many simpletons find some level of pleasure in it. It is especially import with religion considering that the harm and evils that it produces are almost exclusive to religion where any amount of good or comfort it provides is either an entirely false comfort or something that could be easily produced through secular means.
Obviously as far as Atheists go I more openly express my hate than most. It does frustrate me that people often see that as a reason to dismiss me outright as being irrelevant. They seem to think as if this title says all they possibly need to hear. Those people are simply ignorant, they’re judging a book by its proverbial cover. In my experience though when I am able to get a fellow Atheist to listen to my reasoning for hating religion and what it is that I mean when I say I hate religion, they are usually fairly understanding. If anything it seems more people have an aversion to the very word “hate” itself than anything else.
I honestly haven’t met many people who say they were a militant Atheist and turned away from it but have talked to many who say they were Atheist and are now religious. Most often those people reveal themselves as being basically a selective Atheist, they were only Atheist is respect to the particular god they wanted to rebel, usually the god of their parents. Once they move beyond their actual antagonism to a particular image of god, they swing back to religion and hold the claim that “I used to be Atheist!” as if it should impress us. It certainly doesn’t impress me in the least. If someone was a militant outspoken Atheist but stopped and didn’t go back to religion I imagine there is some further underlying reason to it, not just because they think it is “hurtful”. Perhaps they were “militant” in their own mind but I assure you someone who feels as strongly against religion as I, and other “militant” Atheists I know, do would not simply give it up because they’re worried about being “obnoxious”.
It looks like a bit of an interesting read. I don’t really think that there will be any way to verify if this tomb is “the Jesus” or what it is exactly. If it could be verified though I have to wonder if it would end up changing the mind of many Christians, or if it would give new faith to people?
Obviously if there is a tomb of Jesus he was not resurrected and raised bodily in to Heaven. It does leave open the interpretation of shedding the mortal body and raising up again in a “spiritual” body but that is an interpretation that doesn’t usually get a lot of backing. When asked in a debate once what would make him no longer believe in God or Christianity William Lane Craig said “if the tomb of Jesus was found and it was proven that he did not rise bodily in to Heaven”. So I guess if this really is “Jesus” William Lane Craig can no longer be a Christian?
dunno if you've talked about this before but what are your thoughts on the death penalty?
It is something that I sometimes waver on a bit. I do think quite often about the concept of justice and what really is or is not justice. Many times when looking at the facts and the results of states that do have the death penalty it indicates it is not a deterrent. It has not had the results that many people hoped it would and as a result it is really a complete failure.
Nearly all advanced nations in the world no longer support the death penalty with good reason. It is an incredibly expensive as well as barbaric and generally macabre process. Whenever possible the best option is reform. Unfortunately with so many issues in the justice system in the United States in general it makes worthwhile reform for those it would best reach nearly impossible.
I think that true justice is something that we will never really find. Something I personally often wonder about is what exactly would be best to due with the unreachable and unsalvageable dregs of society. If reform is not possible, should they simply rot for life? The entire time of course being a drain to tax dollars and simply festering in an already overpopulated prison system. What should we do? That’s something I’m really not sure about, one that thing that is certain though based on information we have is that the death penalty does not have the desired effect.
Can you share any tips on not getting upset during stupid debates? Whenever I debate with my mom she repeats the same arguments over and over no matter how many times I refute them. After the sixth time of hearing, "People wouldn't be moral without religion, and yes there would be a lot more murder if everyone were atheists" it's hard not to get angry/yell at her and cause a lot of stress.
I have been in many stupid debates in my time and it can often be frustrating when someone continually turns to a particular topic repeatedly. The best way I’ve found personally to handle it is attempt to validate that it is their feeling but then attempt to explore why that feeling is there. Perhaps if you told your mom directly that you understand that she feels that way but then attempt to explore more deeply in to why she feels that way you could better focus on the root of the issue.
Once she describes how she feels you can probe for more information. Ask her why it is she thinks that would be true. Depending on how exactly she answers there are various ways to address it from there but you can at least shift the topic to a new subject that may have more chance of breaking through on. She’s already made it quite clear that is how she feels the only chance of getting her to understand why that feeling is wrong is to figure out what her basis for that belief is and what way to best approach showing her how it is likely based on misinformation or misconceptions.
Hopefully it will give you a chance to get some more insight in to her views and perhaps open a new discussion. Unfortunately I’ve found that when a Christian becomes cornered on a topic they’ll usually pull out their trump card. “Faith”. It becomes so much more difficult to make any ground in a discussion when someone admits they believe something simply because they believe it, regardless of any facts or logic.
You've probably answered something alike before, but here I go... A lot, if not every person I know, atheist or not, ask me what's my zodiac sign. And am I like...wtf??? I don't really know how to feel or think about astrology, I'd like to know if you believe in that stuff and if so why, why is supposes to describe how I am? why do so many ppl rely on it to judge someone? Is it more than simple superstition? Is there any reasonable fact to take into account? Thank you!
Thank you for the message. It does seem like there is a fair amount of otherwise skeptical people that will keep up on their zodiac. I actually went through a bit of a phase where I was interested in the zodiac and star signs and what it all meant. It was when I was fairly young though and in my whole search for other forms of religion or “spirituality”. From what I’ve read and seen people want it to be true but there is really nothing to it.
It is all based on pseudo science attempting to claim that the alignment of the stars somehow affect our birth. The alignments of the stars affect many things but there is absolutely nothing indicating that it plays any bearing on a person’s personality. There is also really no basis for grouping people born around the same times of the year together in such a way.
Really it seems to just boil down to superstition. People look to imply meaning and causation to things where it really doesn’t belong. People also like to find things that are somewhat flattering about themselves that require no work on their part at all. “You mean since I am a Gemini I am a sociable person? That’s great! I didn’t even have to do anything.” Of course these things are very often not true, but that doesn’t really seem to phase anyone.
It’s all just pseudo science mumbo jumbo that people find entertaining. Really on the surface a lot of it is harmless but when people start making assumptions about personality traits and their compatibility with other people off of it, it can quickly become quite ridiculous. Personally I don’t pay any attention to it anymore at all myself. I had a curiosity, I explored it, I found it to be lacking and now I mostly attempt to simply ignore it.
So those familiar with my blog know that I normally stick to facts and random posts about Atheism. This is also my blog though and as a result I will post my opinion. If you disagree with my opinion you are certainly welcome to it but disagreeing with someone and simply calling them a racist are two different things. I don’t even know how the subject of race really got dragged in to the discussion. My comments added on to the story about people being MURDERED over some burned paper did not discuss race at all but apparently it is taken as racist.
So simply and briefly I want to explain a few of my comments. Perhaps those unfamiliar with the situation and culture of Afghanistan could see it as a baseless stereotype. I want to be clear that I am not attempting to stereotype all people of Afghanistan. My wording when discussing a horrific and disgusting act didn’t go out of the way to clarify that not all Afghans are that way, but it also does not specifically say that all Afghans are that way. To assume one way or the other would be an assumption but it seems so much easier for people to assume the worst.
It is no secret that culture of Afghanistan is very different from our own. Honor killing and honor rape are not uncommon practices. Middle aged men will take boys between the age or 9 and 15 to use as sex slaves. They see it as a matter of status, they openly flaunt it. It’s socially accepted pedophilia. Afghanistan ranks number 2 in the entire world in infant mortality second only to Angola with nearly 150 children out of every 1,000 born passing away before the age of 2. They are also second to last in the world in life expectancy (again behind Angola) with an average age of about 45. Obviously this is not a thriving country that highly values life or the continuation of life. This culture has deemed it entirely acceptable to kill a young girl for the shame of being raped or marrying someone their family does not approve of. They see it as perfectly acceptable for men to force sex upon young boys, it isn’t considered a crime in the least bit. This is not even to touch upon the horrific treatment of grown women as well.
What about wanting to get high? That’s a pretty bold statement right? Since I am sure many people on her have access to a Netflix account I would suggested the documentary “Camp Victory”. It is a good look at many of the struggles that the US and other allied forces have faced in attempting to train Afghan people to police their own country. You hear stories of how many of them will stay up all night long smoking hashish and opium and run out from cover in just a shirt and shorts firing guns recklessly as if they are living a video game. There is even one story of an Afghan solider who almost fired a missile launcher, pointed the wrong direction because he was too high to realize. Many of them, dare I say the majority, who are being trained to help bring order to their country are too busy smoking day and night to do anything productive.
This isn’t even to get in to the general animosity between the allies and troops that have already been trained in Afghanistan. It wasn’t long ago that a uniformed Afghan military official killed 4 French service members which prompted France to put a hold on all of their operations there. It is not an isolated event as the number of trained Afghan solider killing Western aid workers as well as solider is very prevalent. It seems no matter what we do the Afghan people can not overcome their animosity to these “foreigners” being in their country.
The riots of the Quran should honestly come as no surprise. There were similar riots not more than a year ago over the ignorant Terry Jones in Florida setting fire to their “sacred” book. Book burning does not mean today what it used to mean. It no longer means people are suppressing information and looking to destroy it for all of eternity. What it means now is exactly what it is, someone burning a book. People can be upset, people can be offended, no one can say what others will be offended at because it is their choice, but to murder 23 people over the act? It is in-human.
If me stating bluntly my opinion of the current situation in Afghanistan and the temperament the people of Afghanistan have displayed is considered racist, no one is forcing you to follow my blog page. I temper my words too often out of fears of offending someone sensibility so I will not stay quiet when a few ignorant people want to cast disparaging and entirely incorrect insults against me. If you see this as a subject of race, perhaps you are the one that needs to re-evaluate your views, not me. I’ve never said this was a subject that had to do with race at all. Considering how often I have it tossed at me to recognize the differences between cultures, races, and religions I would think people could return the favor. It has to do with the ignorant, barbaric, brutal, misogynistic, drug addicted, and violent people that are controlling the lives of everyone in Afghanistan. Ignoring the problem only perpetuates it and attempting to silence those that wish to discuss it gets us no where.
There is a story in the Telegraph (London) today where Richard Dawkins now says that he can't be sure there is no god, and is better described as an agnostic rather than an atheist.
As far as I’m aware Richard Dawkins has never expressed that he is certain there is no god. In his book “The God Delusion” he describes a 7 point scale. 1 being absolute certainty there is a god and 7 being absolutely certainly there is not a god with varying scales in between. He places himself at a 6 where he was strongly certain there is no god but he can’t flat out say there absolutely is not. I will have to look for the article to know exactly what he said before I can really comment more but to the best of my knowledge he has always been an agnostic-Atheist. (Seeing as “agnostic” is not a stance, merely a qualifier.)
Truly you are an enlightened and kind hearted man incapable of racism, clearly you were just making strident, pro-imperialist comments about a nationality not a race and that's fine, buy yourself a bannana. Oh and by the way "We" didn't invade afghanistan to impose secular western values on the ignorant natives we did it to loot their resources and we slaughtered their families. Their priorities aren't "getting high" they are selling opiates to the west so they have more money for basic resource
I love it how whenever someone expresses anything short of out right condemnation and contempt for the war they suddenly become pro-imperialist regardless of what their views are. You obviously don’t know my views and are expressing yours from a point of ignorance as a result. You can believe whatever conspiracy theories you like but your fringe view point doesn’t really play a factor in to my view of reality. In my reality the word is spelled “banana” by the way.
I cannot believe that person was calling you a racist.
I was a bit surprised. I tried sending them a message but not surprisingly I didn’t get any response. I was going to make a big post discussing the horrific living conditions in Afghanistan as well as the terrible social situations that are common place, but why bother. If someone is not going to bother to think long before throwing out idiotic misconceptions about me chances are information isn’t going to stop them. They’ll simply continue to assume what they want.
I do have to point out what should be an obvious reason I don’t need to defend racism. Afghan is not a race, it’s a nationality. People in Afghanistan may often be of the same race but a country is not the same thing as a race. I was not discussing the topic of race at all. If someone is too ignorant to consider that before throwing out an accusation of racism there is no reason to defend the charge.
Twelve people were killed on Friday in the bloodiest day yet in protests that have raged across Afghanistan over the desecration of copies of the Muslim holy book at a Nato military base with riot police and soldiers on high alert braced for more violence.
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This whole situation is sad, terrifying, and disgusting to me all at the same time. Their holy book is more precious to them than not only their own life but the lives of others, regardless of who they are. This is the perfect example of the disgusting level of idiocy and barbarism that can still happen in the name of religion in this day and age. Simply because of some burned pages of a disgusting old book many people are dead, people are protesting, they are calling for more death and violence. Over a BOOK!
We should be out of Afghanistan. It was a failed attempt. The people of Afghanistan have shown their priorities to be getting high, abusing children, and rioting over the burning of some paper. They are not doing anything to better the quality of life for people of their country, they have made their choice. We have made a strong effort but it is obvious they will put forth every effort to live in squalor and ignorance.
“Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all. Now this is going to be difficult for some who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, as many evangelicals do. But in a pluralistic democracy, we have no choice. Politics depends on our ability to persuade each other of common aims based on a common reality. It involves the compromise, the art of what’s possible. At some fundamental level, religion does not allow for compromise. It’s the art of the impossible. If God has spoken, then followers are expected to live up to God’s edicts, regardless of the consequences. To base one’s life on such uncompromising commitments may be sublime, but to base our policy making on such commitments would be a dangerous thing.”—Barack Obama
Don't you think atheism is sort of a fad at the moment? I mean don't get me wrong, I've been atheist since going to Catholic school in fourth grade. I NEVER really believed. But all I keep seeing is little teenagers proclaiming, "btw I'm atheist!!!!!!!~*!*~8" out of some sort of rebellion..
Yes, I do think there are some people choosing to identify as Atheist because of a trend but I also think there are a great deal of sincere Atheists “coming out”, for lack of a better term, because of the trend. It is an unfortunate side effect of anything that has a strong surge in popularity, it will have people jumping on for what are perhaps the wrong reasons. That popularity though carries a strong amount of momentum with it and will draw out other people as well that are sincere and well thought out Atheists. Not to mention many people who turn to Atheism because of the trend may explore it further and end up as lifetime Atheists as a result.
Many people will go through different periods of life. People will often update their views for various reasons but even if it is only because of a trend people will finally know Atheism is an option. Honestly before I had started high school I had never even heard the term “Atheist” myself. I lived in a very small town and didn’t have access to more than a dial up computer running Windows 98 on it, the online Atheist community didn’t exist at that point. Perhaps just being exposed to the fact that Atheism does exist at an earlier age may have made my eventual acceptance of it that much easier.
I also think it is important that it will allow Atheism to become a subject of discussion in areas where it never was before. I’ve said in the past that I personally think “Tyler, The Creator” is a fairly disgusting individual but before him almost no one in the rap community was discussing Atheism. People never even considered the view of Atheists when it related to politics in the past. The idea of Atheist charity is becoming popular. Atheism is spreading and secularism is taking hold in all walks of life. Whether it is because of a trend or simply because of that momentum I think it is still a great thing for those of us that are firmly Atheist.
How can you, or anyone, be agnostic and an atheist at the same time?
I have no idea why you would be asking this. I thought I provided a pretty good explanation to it yesterday. If you’re confused about it perhaps you could contact me off of anon so I don’t need to answer redundant questions.
Are you an agnostic atheist? Because I came out to my father that I'm an agnostic atheist, and he said that atheism is just another form of religion. To be 100% sure that there is no god is the same as saying you are 100% sure there is a god. I agree with my father, and I've been asking other atheist tumblrs if they agree with this line of reasoning. (and my definition of agnostic atheist is that there is a possibility there may be a god but I strongly think there is none.)
I’m not really sure why the term agnostic gets misunderstood by so many people but to answer your questions, I am. There are actually very few Atheists in general that would not qualify as agnostic Atheists (Victor Stenger being one) because Atheists don’t want to put the burden of proof on themselves. It is incredibly difficult, if not entirely impossible, to prove something that has such a vague definition does not exist in any way or form throughout all of space and time. One would have to claim more knowledge than what is really possible to say they know with 100% assurance.
Agnostic very simply means someone that believes nothing can be or is known about god. In practice I believe everyone is an agnostic but for someone to claim gnostic Atheist or gnostic theist they don’t necessarily have to prove it, they simply have to profess it as their belief. I think that makes it a very flimsy qualifier in general because it only provides information about personal speculation of available knowledge regardless of validity. Either you believe things are knowable or that things are unknowable.
Atheism is certainly not a religion. I have never met an Atheist that considers Atheism just another form of religion, I only hear it from non-Atheists. Atheism is the rejection, the refutation, and a divergence from religion. Atheism couldn’t possibly be more polar opposite from religion. People just like to think everyone has their own insanity, we shouldn’t let it bother us though. It’s not as if anything else the religious blindly assert without proof has real merit either.
I have been wanting to ask this for some time. I am almost positive, as I was raised Christian and absolutely hated it, that somewhere in the bible it says somewhere along the lines of: one must not picture or try to put a face to Jesus or to Heaven or hell. Also that one must not "disfigure" the body by whatever force of nature i.e tattoos. I only ask because I see so many hypocrites who get tattoos of Jesus, of angels stabbing a demon or "the devil". Am I correct or crazy?
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD. Leviticus 19:28
Of course many modern Christians will write off Leviticus as being part of the old laws, it is part of the same book that condemns homosexuality, mixed fabrics, and planting two types of seeds next to each other. The problem is it is also the only place in the bible that condemns bestiality and selling one’s daughter in to prostitution. If a Christian is to say that those laws no longer apply and that it is okay with god they may be saying more than they intend to. Of course a well equipped Christian will find excuses to justify whatever they really want regardless of the actual words of the bible.
According to the bible no one is able to see the face of god and live, Exodus 33:20 says “But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.” Also in Exodus 20:4 god supposedly commands “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.” In context though it seems to be condemning making idols of other things and worshiping other things since god goes in to his ramble about being a jealous god and not wanting anyone to worship anything or anyone but him. (Polytheism much? I think so.)
Jesus was (supposedly) a real person so to the best of my knowledge there aren’t any issues with people seeing the face of Jesus. There is of course the whole “worshiping idols” issue but that doesn’t seem to phase people much. If anything idols seem to be one of the foundations of Christianity. If it wasn’t for the countless crucifixes and images of a meek and mild Jesus giving us doe eyes Christianity wouldn’t likely have the popular status it enjoys.
If you could ask Rick Santorum five questions, what would they be?
I honestly wouldn’t want to waste my time asking Rick Santorum anything. He is a repugnant human being. Once his little moment in the spot light fades out he’ll be nothing more than a foot note in the history of national level politics. He doesn’t stand a chance and it is amazing that he was ever considered a possible candidate by anyone. If he did run against Obama it would be such a one sided victory for the Democrats that they would be embarrassed for years to come.
Romney has always been their only legitimate choice for candidate but they have scrambled to try for anyone but Romney. The only thing it has really done though is sunk any chances of Romney having a strong campaign. If the Republicans don’t really want to endorse him why would anyone else be persuaded to vote for him? Without some wild events between now and November it is going to be an easy election for Obama thanks to the insanity in the GOP.
“If someone ever tells you ‘Atheists talk about Atheism too much!’ consider the fact that the religious have talked openly of their religions for hundreds of years. Many of us are part of the first generation where we can express our Atheism without the threat of death and ostracization. Sadly there are many that still can’t. For those of us that can, I think we have a little time to make up.”—Hateful Atheist
I’ve answered this many times and in many different ways to attempt to explain it. I actually keep a good brief little explanation as the description for my blog. You can read for yourself and normally that is enough to suffice as an answer.
To throw out a different explanation though think of it this way. Think of what you really love, it doesn’t matter what it is in particular. It could be your family, your job, money, your life in general, whatever it is. Now imagine that there is some amorphous entity out there that is seeking to deny you or what you love? Let’s say this entity influences people to do it’s bidding and influences over them to try and ensure what you most love and care for is either denied or brought down? Wouldn’t you just hate it? Wouldn’t you hate whatever it is that works so hard to destroy what you love?
I love truth. I love reason. I love reality. I love human prosperity and hope for greater love in the world. I love knowing that because of science we have been able to eradicate many terrible diseases, we’ve been able to improve the quality of life for millions of people, and we’ve been able to better understand this world. The world is far from perfect but I love what I see when I think of what it could be if we were only able to reach our full potential.
That’s why I must hate religion, it seeks to deny me these things that I love. It seeks to divide us in to groups, separating us from each other and pitting one person against another because of their opposing view point. It seeks to deny education, questioning, and exploring of the real world. It seeks to suppress information it finds uncomfortable essential cutting off science at the knees when science was force to obey the commands of the religious powers that be. It seeks to destroy, often reveling in the idea of a complete apocalypse, an utter annihilation of all humanity. Since really, that is the only way a religion can ever “win”.
I hate religion because I hate people seeking to embrace ignorance. I hate religion because I hate a system that continually victimizes people. I hate religion because on the control it exerts on the hearts and minds of so many otherwise wonderful people it ensnares. For every fear people have ever held silently because of the teachings of religion, for every bruise ever put on another because of religion, for every lie ever perpetuated and every truth suppressed, I will continue to hate religion.
My favorite creationist line is, "if there's no oxygen in space, then how does the sun burn?"
I have heard that one from people being legitimately said! It is horrible, especially the dumb founded looks of shock and awe if I reply with “Well…it doesn’t actually burn, it’s a series of nuclear reactions that produces radiation and heat.” For some reason since they can’t grasp the concept it makes me sound like a crazy ridiculous fool to say it.
That and the whole “If the earth was 10 feet closer or 10 feet farther away life wouldn’t exist on earth!” That one drives me absolutely nuts. Simply pointing out that the Earth’s rotation is elliptical and the average distance from the sun can vary far more than 10 feet at different times of the year doesn’t seem to change their minds. They still think “It’s a miracle!!!”
That water evaporation thing? Are they trying to guess when the oceans will not be salt water anymore or what? It doesn't make any sense.
It doesn’t make any sense really. Best I can tell from a brief google search it is based on an idea originally posted on the Answers in Genesis’s website mostly supported by Dr. Frank DeRemer. Basically Dr. Frank doesn’t really understand science but knows enough to create a faulty argument. The whole argument for them boils down to this. “Salt goes in the ocean, not a lot of salt comes out of the ocean. If the world was really old the oceans would be so salty and nothing could live there.” Of course the way they arrive at this conclusion involves leaps and bounds of illogical conclusions not taking in to account numerous factors. If you have any interest in looking in to the discussion feel free but far better scientists than I could ever hope to be have already spent a great deal of time and effort to explain why the earth is the age it is.
ok you know how evaporation works with the sea right? well water goes up pure nd then clouds go over land. rain. water goes into sea. well over the years it gets really salty. well a scientist took that number of salt that accumulates every year and subtracted that number until he got to where the water would be relativley pure you know how many years it would take? 20,000 which doesnt leave any room for the earth even being remotley close to 4.5 billion years old. sorry for the grammar/spelling
Just so you know….anything labeled “creation science” has to be labeled that way because it is NOT “science”.
why is it wrong for me to believe in what i believe in? i dont believe in one set system (for instance, i am not catholic) but i believe in a higher power, and i believe in karma, and i believe in the afterlife. why am i wrong?
The better question is, why are you right?
Obviously you’ve been able to convince yourself of your own beliefs, but are you able to show others that your belief in these things is well founded? Are you able to point to proof, signs, and indications that your belief in these ideas should be something others believe as well?
It is not up to me to prove to you your beliefs are wrong. It is up to you to prove that your beliefs are right. The reason that most Atheists are Atheists is because we base our perception of the world based on real, verifiable, testable information. If there were solid reasons to believe in these things many Atheists would.
There is no proof of a higher power, no proof of karma, and no proof of an afterlife. These ideas not only have no basis in reality but they offend reason and logic by lying outside of the realm of verification. The only possible basis for belief relies on faith. That is the basis we start with. So in order for me personally to consider your beliefs valid you would have to show me why your faith is more important than my facts. Yet, why would I do that with no proof?
I can’t prove to you you’re wrong, no one is responsible for disproving outlandish assertions. You can’t prove to me you’re right, going back to that whole pesky proof thing. You’re the one looking to make a contention that these things are real. You’re the one making a statement of belief. So I’ll return to my question, why are you right?
I really enjoy your blog. I'm 14 and I am atheist. People always say to me "You are to young to have a solid, real opinion on religion." Your blog has given me ways to respond to people when they question my Atheism. Thank you.
Thank you and I appreciate the message. You are never too young to have an opinion on things but just make sure you still let your opinion be flexible. Keep learning more and let your views progress and update as you learn even more. :)
The bio on twitter of a guy I know says that he is passionate about the lord and savior, living to die because he knows he must die to really live. Welcome to reason #1 as to why I'm an atheist.
Ugh…I hate that garbage. So many people that believe in an afterlife are the shallowest most egocentric people you will ever meet. They all believe that they have to have eternity. Many of them will believe that life could be considered entirely worthless without an eternity afterwards awaiting them. Chances are they are making their life worthless by wasting it away and waiting for their “next life”. Why is that these imbeciles think they are so special? They can’t even grasp the concept of eternity and the ramifications of such a thing yet they will smugly assert they are certainly entitled to and intend to receive it.
When someone believes in this garbage they’ve already declared that idea is more important to them than their life is now. They’re stating that something they can not, do not, and will not know to be true is more important than anything they can do on this earth and in this lifetime. In many ways these people disgust me. They take the most amazing opportunity we will ever get, the opportunity to be alive, and they shit on it. They can only compare it to something they imagine to be much better and scoff at how paltry 80 years of life is compared to eternity. Yet these people still look to make others on this world bend to their will, strange doesn’t even begin to cover it.
You've yet to answer the actual question behind all those examples; why you feel as though your position as an atheist makes it acceptable for you to hate groups you view as inferior.
(Actually never mind, I have a little bit of time and really it’s an easy answer.)
Alright so since you seem pretty well set on wanting to get some kind of answer I’ll address this question, again. In order to address it though I need to first clarify on your wording. I do not view religious individuals to be inferior. I often see them as misguided, deluded, simply wrong, or brain washed but I do not see myself as superior for not giving in to these things. At the heart of it I really do see the majority of these people as the victims of religion. Of course though many of these victims look to perpetuate the cycle of victimization by either victimizing their children, their family, their friends, or whoever they encounter. They are looking to pass on the same things that have been put on to them.
So when we look at what exactly it is that I hate, it is not the people, it is the system of religion. It is the system of self perpetuation, thought suppression, and delusionment that must continue on in order for religion to exist. It is that system that continually victimizes people in to believing absurdities. It is that system that continually infects society and our lives on nearly every level. I am looking to push back that system, I’m looking to repress the system, not the people who are the victims of that system. I am looking to raise them up and break down the titles and barriers that are used to separate us.
My hatred of religion is the hatred of a system, an entity, a thing. It is like people that say they hate violence or they hate misogyny. These people will, of course, call out those that look to perpetuate these things but many of them do not specifically hate the people that got caught up in this system. Just because they don’t hate the people thought doesn’t mean they won’t focus on those people as the ones that can break the cycle. The reason people end up violent, or misogynistic, or religious is a result of their position in life, their eduction, their access to information, and the environment they grew up in.
People who look to effectively end these cycles don’t do so by feeding in to them and perpetuating them. Violence is not going to stop violence, misogynists are not going to stop misogyny, and the religious are not going to stop religion. Any curtailment of the influences and damaging effects of religion on society are in thanks to the people like myself who push to end that cycle. The people who push for eduction, thought, reason, and an end of harmful, damaging, and extremely dangerous beliefs. People may give me grief for such a statement but just as groups of people have fought for freedom and liberation throughout history, Atheists are fighting for the liberation of the mind.
This fight is a fight of words and logic. It is not a fight of killing and persecution. I am not looking to push on to people the same persecution that they receive from religion, I am looking to free them of it. I am looking for equality, I am looking for happiness in the world, I am looking for joy and freedom. I am looking to humanity to achieve its highest potential. None of this is going to happen as long as we continue to divide ourselves by building up barriers between us the way religion does. The very future of humanity and our survival (or ultimately annihilation) may hinge upon the rejection or further digging in of religious belief. Personally I hope for the prosperous path, but I don’t see a positive path that involves us dividing in to the haves and the have nots, or the saved and the not saved, the believer and the unbelievers.