Yes, I don’t just think it but know I can be. I have some friends that are Christians. Generally we avoid talking about the subject of religion, they know my stance, and they know if the topic comes up I’ll express my opinion on it. I can’t be friends with Christians that are close minded and bigoted though so that does make it a bit limited.
Why do you hate religion so much? I am also an Atheist but I'm just interested in why you hate it so. I also read your explanation of why you hate it, but I don't really understand it. There are a lot of other "excuses" people to use to not think. Just curious.
Perhaps you need someone to help you interpret it? Cut down on the big words? I’m being condescending obviously but I am not sure what is hard to understand about it. I do also have many pages to my blog with lots of answers and information, including several answers to questions similar to this.
Religions is a system that looks to perpetuate ignorance for it’s own existence. It must exert control over as many people as possible. In order to truly take hold, like Christianity and Islam, it has to force those beliefs on to others. It is one of the leading causes of war, death, suffering, child abuse, misinformation, and general conflict in humanity. There may be other excuses for people to not think but people joyously celebrate ignorance in religion and people are never happier to commit atrocities than when they do it for their religion.
This may have been asked but, do you celebrate christmas in the commercial sense? Sharing presents with family and friends while its snowy out ect. (cookies, turkeys, and snowman)
The question ends up coming up a lot during the holiday season. It seems that most Atheists, especially in the United States, do continue to celebrate Christmas in a non-religious way. The holiday really was hijacked by Christianity as it is to distract from the Pagan holidays it had to compete with. There are plenty of good reasons to want to celebrate during the coldest, darkest time of the year and remind ourselves of family and the things we enjoy.
Also I have a son who recently turned 4. I know I am only perpetuating consumerism but I’d feel a little bad not getting him a truck load of presents. We built a huge snowman in the backyard last year. We still put up a tree, but no angel. We decorate but none of it is religious in nature. It is still a good time, just no need to tie any of the Christian non-sense to it.
How do you, personally, cope with the fact that you will one day die, and that this death will mark the end of you?
For me the idea that I will one day just cease to exist drives me up the walls. It's enough to make me wish I believed in God and an afterlife.
Generally I’m a very laid back person. I try not to stress much. I relax, take things easy, but try to still make the most of my time. It’s something I had to learn and took a few years to really get down. My point in saying this being that I try not to stress or worry about things that I can not do anything about.
I can not change that I will die some day. We all will, it’s inevitable. So I don’t see any need to stress about it or worry. If I stress or worry about something that is inevitable all I am doing is wasting my time. I am cutting into the very short time I already have in life with worrying about what’s after it. Don’t miss out on living life worrying about things you can not change.
My life, like most, has had a lot of ups and downs. I’ve gone through personal tragedy and have experienced happiness as well. I have had the chance to get so much out of life already, so much more than many people ever get the chance to. So if I get hit by a bus and die tomorrow, I will happy with what I’ve done. If I live to be 80 and die gasping for air hooked up to machines, I will have no regrets. Life is a wonderful, amazing experience but part of the “curse” of being human is to realize it will some day end.
I do think a good number of people believe in religion solely for the comfort that it provides them. The reassurance and consolation they feel in thinking there is more is certainly a delusion. The problem is they don’t know, they just believe what they want to believe. Christians have no better idea of what happens after death than Hindus, Buddhists, or non-believers.
One line that really sticks with me for some reason is from Christopher Hitchens when he says “The worst part is not only are you told you have to leave the party, but it is going to continue on without you.” If life is a party I’d rather be the goof on the middle of the dance floor enjoying it than the one sitting in the corner worrying about carpet stains. Either way you do it, at some point, the party will be over and I’d rather be able to say I enjoyed it as much as I could than spend it worrying about what comes after.
After defending the new Dutch policy making it impossible for Jewish butchers to produce kosher meat without using pain killers on their animals on Facebook the other day someone pointed me in your direction. I'm loving your work and your choice of wording reminds me of my own. You've got a lot of grit keeping up with every insult thrown your way and you defend yourself fantastically. Are you by any chance Dutch yourself (I've been wondering since your post about Ayaan Hirsi Ali)
Thank you for the message. Somewhat sadly I am in the United States. I only say sadly because of how difficult it is to be an Atheist in this country but it works in a way because it is the perfect place for me to try and do what I’m doing. I’m always a bit torn on it, every so often I have to seriously consider moving to somewhere in Europe.
I have had a bit of intellectual crush on Ayaan Hirsi Ali ever since I first learned about her. She is a great speaker and has such an amazing life story. The video she did with Theo van Gogh was incredibly powerful. It was tragic that Theo’s life was cut short because of it.
I am glad the Dutch started their policy of humane animal slaughter. It’s amazing that we’re okay with people torturing and slashing at a living conscious animal’s throat in the name of religious tradition. If I’m not mistaken it is not just for Jewish butchers but also Muslims with their “halal” butchering practices that require the animal to be awake and alive when butchered. Small steps but another important part of getting people to let go of their barbaric “traditions”.
So this isn't a thought-provoking, interesting, well-thought-out post.
It isn't even a question.
But I want to say that I think you're really great for putting your opinion out there and standing up for what you believe in, 100% of the time. It's really refreshing to see someone who is brave enough to do that.
Thank you very much for the message. I always appreciate hearing good things from my followers. It can be a bit trying at times to run a page like this but overall I definitely enjoy it. In the time that I’ve had it I’ve been forced to increase my knowledge of religion, science, and philosophy. Which is why I can understand the hesitation a lot of people have about coming out as an Atheist, it seems to defend yourself you need to know as much as you possibly can. I have to say it has been very rewarding and even more so when I know many other people enjoy my page too. :) Thanks again.
Oh anon, the eternal torment of some fiery boogeyman created to scare kids and credulous adults is nothing compared to the shame and humiliation of knowing that you’re disappointed in me. *frowney face*
Scientology is a scary and very disturbing cult. It has ruined the lives of many of it’s members and their families as well. It is dangerous, it is blatantly idiotic, and all a vehicle for making money. The fact that anyone can fall under the influence of Scientology shows how extremely credulous people are.
When the founder of your religion can say, “Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wanted to make a million dollars, the best way to do it would be start his own religion.” (Los Angeles Times, 27 August 1978) and people still buy in to it, it doesn’t bode well for the general intelligence of it’s members.
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Well, I totally agree with you on that one. It's like spending money on bibles for people who need food and shelter.
But what would you think of someone that for example, helps them out, and also prays because they think it will be one more think? I mean it's what they think it's right, but they are obviously not doing it to pretend they are helping when they are not, because they actually are.
Really it boils down fairly simply. If people want to pray and keep it to themselves that is fine. There is certainly no harm in it, there is no help in it, but it is basically a 0 effort. People are welcome do that if they like and certainly no one would be able to stop them from thinking what they want to.
What I take much more issue with is those that always want it to be known that they pray or request prayers from others. The people that tell you, I will pray for you, or that I am praying for this, that, or the other. Somewhat ironically doing such a thing should be considered the “sin” of pride by biblical standards but it doesn’t keep people from doing it. It is all a matter of show for others at that point.
What people chose to do in their own head is their own business but the way they feel this need to share it with everyone else is bothersome. The fact that people present it as if they are actually doing something for someone else is insulting. The fact that people believe it produces results is laughable. If someone is going to pray, they will, and there is nothing, in itself, wrong with that. The thing is people should keep their prayers, much like their masturbatory habits (which I compared prayer to for those who haven’t seen the post this is referring to), to themselves. (except maybe TMI Tuesdays. What do you think about when you pray? Jesus! He brings me to prayer climax so quickly!)
People often have different intentions when they feel the need to tell others they are praying. Some of them use it nearly interchangeably as an expression of sympathy, those people are probably the most genuine in their intent. Some say it as if they actually believe talking to God will make this bad thing go away or turn back time to undo what happened. Some say it almost as a slap in the face as if whatever the situation was could have been avoided all along if you only had enough people petitioning on your behalf to the sky daddy. The intentions will not always be clear. If someone is sharing that information though it means they are doing it for attention, or to attempt to show how “pious” they are, or how spiritual they are, or some other self serving desire.
You probably have discussed this before, but what are your views on abortion?
It comes up fairly often. I am entirely pro-choice and absolutely disgusted with how Republicans in the United States are trying to take away the choice of women and restrict their rights. People that are “pro-life” are really just anti-choice and anti-women. It’s not a matter of saving unborn “babies” but a matter of control. Outlawing abortions will only make abortions more dangerous, not prevent them from happening. It is an option that needs to be available to women and I will definitely adamantly defend that view.
A muslim woman was recently fired from her job at Hollister for refusing to remove her hijab, which she wore while she was hired and told was alright as long as it was in company colors. Something tells me that if it were a crucifix, there wouldn't be a problem.
I really only think it is an issue based on what she was told when she was hired. If she was told when she was hired that it was not an issue and she is allowed to wear it, and is asked later to remove it, that could be an issue. I am certainly no legal expert. If she was told when she was hired that they do not allow any kind of scarfs, head wraps, hats, or whatever, then she should be expected to remove it and follow the rules the same as everyone else. I agree it probably wouldn’t be an issue if it was a crucifix but a crucifix can also be easily tucked inside the clothes and does not obstruct someone’s face or hair in any way.
If our goal is equality and to treat everyone equally religion should not be given special privilege. People should not be allowed to do, say, or wear something simply because it is part of their religion with no other justification. It reminds of an article I saw about a Muslim weight lifter who wants to be able to wear her hijab and cover her arms and legs well she competes. (Article here.) She wants them to change the international rules of weight lifting for the sake of her religious convictions. If she wants to compete she should be expected to follow the same rules as everyone else. If she does not want to follow the rules, she should not be allowed to compete, it is as simple as that.
Hi, I'm following up on the predeterminism question.
Assume then that the person is not just an atheist but also rejects any notion of a metaphysical being. Predestination differs to predeterminism; personally, I think predestination is bullshit, but predeterminism does make sense and, I assume, would logically occur if there were no existence of a metaphysical being. Also, regardless of whether we're aware of certain laws of science, they're still acting upon things, yeah? So the outcome will be the same irrespective of whether we're aware of what exactly caused said outcome. Therefore, predeterminism is alive and well?
I apologise for being overly repetitious, I'm just trying to figure all of this out!
Basically yes, I am agreeing with you on the predeterminism issue. It is logical that prior events would produce the results we are currently seeing in the world now. However I do think the current events we are experiencing, we decide what happens, which is why we will decide the course of future events. We are determining the predetermination for future generations. Hopefully we can fix some things before it gets there.
I have a question about predeterminism.
If you are an atheist, by definition, you renounce the idea of the existence of any metaphysical being. Therefore, you must accept that the universe is purely physical. And if, in fact, the universe is purely physical, chemistry, physics, etc dictate that and one event will incur a following event which must occur because of the way the first event occurred. So, predeterminism holds true, right? So it stands to reason that you either accept the reality of a metaphysical being or you accept the notion of predeterminism.
Given, however, that you don't accept the existence of any metaphysical being, how do you justify your belief that no such predeterminism exists?
Thanks! Hope you're well :-)
Hey thanks for the message. A bit of an interesting question but I feel that a few of your assumptions seem to guide you in your question a bit more than they should. To clarify there is nothing that says all Atheists must reject all metaphysical being. There are a good number of Atheists that still believe in spirits, or energies, or entities, whatever you chose to call them.
There is also a huge difference between the idea of predeterminism and predestination. With predeterminism we look at all events as part of a chain where prior events leading up to a current event have caused that event to happen. I don’t see any type of problem with this. It makes logical sense that prior events had to occur the way that they occurred in order for the events that are currently happening to be possible. This does not mean in any way that our life is predestined. We are still able to freely chose what we do in our day to day life, but those choices will continue on the chain to future events.
It also seems that you assume in stating that if the universe is entirely physical it would mean that it is entirely constant and we have a complete understanding of how that physical material works. There are still many mysteries to physics that we are trying to unlock. There are still unusual occurrences in matter that we are trying to understand. Many things that are beyond any kind of simplistic explanation I could quickly offer here. We have certain constants and certain laws but we are still far from a full understanding of how all matter works.
Only with religious people can they question where you receive your morality one minute, then defend the indiscriminate killing of innocent children as the work of God the next. They really think they’re more moral? They don’t even see how idiotic it is when they attempt to explain “why” God had to kill all of these children that were innocent of all wrong doing. Once your mind is so twisted, so illogical, so completely devoid of all reason and logic you can start to defend anything. Perhaps that is the reason that religious like to use the “slippery slope” argument. They know that they fell into a dark pit of ignorance that they’ll never be able to crawl out of.
Conservapedia recently challenged Penn Jillette to a debate. They also said he could have two Atheist back ups for assistance. The person challenging would have two Christian back ups. I offered to be one of Penn’s backs ups and his response was “Thanks, I think it would be disrespectful to those who really care about things that matter.” Definitely agreed, Conservapedia is a joke. If you have a Twitter though, hey, why not follow me?
Logic. As you say. Of saying things that deny God. Is quite incorrect. You are just asking to be hated. You know more people believe in God. than are Atheist. so "hater" which you surely called your self in your name. Shut the fuck up about people.
Maybe I. Should take. Up the habit. Of using random periods. Where they don’t. Belong. Yes. I chose my screen name somewhat because of the shock value. Atheists are hated in America. It’s like people don’t know the cold war is over. Just because more people believe in God than those that don’t doesn’t make it correct. Popularity does not make it factual.
I like people. I feel like talking about people. I’ll continue to talk about people. Sorry if that upsets you but….okay really, I’m not sorry.
You should read the book "not without my daughter" unless you have already. even though it's been criticized for playing sterotypes of iran & the islamic faith, it's such a gripping story and it really shows how islamic countries are so held back by their faith in the koran.
Sounds interesting. I haven’t read the book before but after looking up some reviews I would definitely go with the book over the movie. A book somewhat along the same lines that I enjoyed was “Infidel” by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The book is quite in-depth about her life and her struggle dealing with her family. Maybe we can make a trade. :)
If God doesn't exist, how did we get here? How was the earth and everything in it created? Because I think we can agree that the big bang theory is a bit silly
Hi, you must be new to my blog if you’d actually think I agree with something like that. The big bang theory does not attempt to explain how life started. It attempts to explain how the planets, stars, moons, and other universal structures came into being and were formed. It is the best explanation that we currently have and so far has held up to scientific scrutiny. No one has as of yet offered a better scientific explanation for how everything was formed.
The study to explain how life originally started is called abiogenesis. There are great leaps in the understanding of how life started all the time. We are getting closer and closer to a full explanation. It should be no surprise in all of this studying and learning and exploring nobody has found any need for “God” in any of it. That’s because God is not an explanation.
If you fail to understand science chances are it’s not the fault of science, it’s due to a lack of study or lack of comprehension. Admittedly it is extremely complex science but the information is available to just about everyone if they are willing to seek it out. Chances are the reason you consider it “silly” is because you’ve never looking into it beyond the most simplistic explanation you happened to overhear. Do a bit more looking and a bit more research and perhaps you will find it enlightening.
You claim to be open-minded yet you automatically reject all religion. Could not your hatred be blinding you from the truth?
No, no it couldn’t. Don’t worry you’re certainly not the first to say something so ridiculous but it’s entirely unfounded. Like many Atheists and anti-theists I was raised religious. I also spent many years exploring other religions and trying to seek answers before I was able to accept the honest truth.
For a while when I was younger I thought there “must” be some type of God. That some type of religion “must” be right for me and that I had to have one. Now that I’ve realized that’s not the case I am more relaxed and open to the world than I ever have been. It is freedom, it is liberating, it is being able to appreciate this world for it’s true beautify and magnificence. Perhaps some day you can cast off the shackles of religious oppression and truly enjoy the majesty of this world we have.
sorry if i seem rude by asking, but i'm just curious. was your son a planned pregnancy or unplanned?
It’s alright. I was only 23 at the time that my girlfriend ended up pregnant, so no it was not something we had planned. I didn’t feel financially stable or ready to have a child yet but it happened and ended up being the greatest thing ever to happen to me. I felt bad for the fact that I questioned if I could do it all. We were using birth control but apparently it wasn’t effective enough. My girlfriend actually switched to a different kind because we had a miscarriage a year earlier well she was also on birth control. We didn’t even know yet that she was pregnant and she got in to a small car accident that caused a miscarriage. We found out she was pregnant and lost it in the same day.
If the question why apes still exist if they were allegedly our ancestors is such an ill-informed and ridiculous question, why not answer it for me?
It’s unusual that someone will volunteer that they are ill informed or don’t want to simply try and grasp the concept themselves. Really just a few minutes of research would be able to clear it up for you. Saying that we “came from apes” isn’t the best wording, it is more correct to say that we came from “ape-like ancestor”. To us our ancestors would appear more like an ape than a human but would be a common ancestor of homo sapiens, bonobos and chimpanzees. If we go further back we’d include other apes and further on to other mammals and even further back birds and fish and all other life, just a matter of how far back we go back.
Asking that question is like asking, “If pilgrims came from England, how come there are still English people?” We took a divergent path in our development from chimpanzees and bonobos. Evolution is a gradual process taking a very long time. In order for changes in a species to occur something usually has to happen, isolation, changes in climate or food sources, changes of terrain, or many other possible factors. Those changes help to drive evolution in order for the species to better adapt to their surroundings. It doesn’t necessarily mean all predecessor have to be completely wiped out or that another divergent species isn’t able to survive as well.
You have to decide if you have a purpose and what that is going to be. Once you’ve decided you do have a purpose in life how could anyone really try and say that you don’t?
Would you say then in your own opinion that we are the 'gods of our own lives'. I'm curious as to your view on all that. Is that arrogant to assume that?
You could say that in a way if you wanted to phrase it like that. We’re not “given” anything by any divine authority, our lives are made of what we make of them. If we want to chose a purpose in life, we have a purpose, it is not something that can be given to someone. If someone else tries to give you a purpose in life most likely it is of benefit to them, not you.
There is no reason not to say that our life is in our own control. There are some things that are beyond our control, like the actions of other people, but the only thing we can attempt to do is react to those things and continue on with our life. I don’t believe in such things as “destiny” or “fate”. Nothing is predetermined, and there is no way for us to know what will happen in the future. All we can do is live our lives.
what do you think about the family from 19 kids and counting? lol
I think I’ve seen one or two of the specials they did on the family but I’ve never honestly sat down to watch the show at all. They don’t sound much different than other slightly off fundamentalist Christian families. We can just hope that some of those children are born with a bit more sense than their parents. Her womb has to be like a bean bag chair with all the beans missing at this point.
This isn't religious, but I tend to find that conservative, religious people are guilty of slut shaming and the like. Where do you stand on the avid sexism and slut shaming?
Sexism actually does seem to have a lot of roots that cross over to religion. The major monotheistic religions of the world are all patriarchal and incredibly misogynistic. Women, in many cases, are most oppressed in countries that have a strong religious foundation. I wouldn’t say religion is the root of sexism but it certainly gave it a huge boost and has allowed it to continue on far longer than it should. It is a wonder that any woman who fully understands Christianity/Islam/Judaism could still embrace it at all.
Anyways, besides my rambling, I’ve personally been for as much equality among people as possible. I support equal rights for all people and almost all groups have to fight for their rights against the same opposition. The religious are the one’s that look to take away women’s rights in this country, they look to suppress LGBT people, they look to suppress Atheists and other minority groups as well. A push for equal rights for any of these groups of people, I feel, is a struggle for equal rights in general.
Slut shaming is a subject that I honestly wasn’t very aware of before I got on tumblr. As a result I’m sure I subconsciously slip in to it from time to time but I have become much more aware of it and try not to let my subtle presuppositions slip in. I have always thought that women who want to take control of their sexuality should do it. Women should be just as free as anyone to dress however they want, date whoever they want, and have sex with who they want without other people’s opinions factoring into it as long as they aren’t harming anyone in the process. Personally I think most slut shaming usually comes from a place of either jealousy or envy. Too many women let it get them down, but I can certainly understand why when it is something they have to deal with on a near daily basis.
No, not all religious people are stupid. Not all non religious people are smart. If someone is stupid though, in my own personal experience, it seems more likely that they will be religion. Just as if someone is smart, again in my own personal experience, they will tend to be non religious. Religion has nothing directly to do with general intelligence. I can say religious people do need to be credulous though.
Does my life have any purpose? Does anyone's life have any purpose?
As far as if your life has purpose or not I’m probably not the best person to ask. Do you think your life has purpose? Do you have goals or things you hope to accomplish in life? Do you have anything you really enjoy or that brings enjoyment to other people? Do you hope to make the world a better place in any way or improve the quality of life for those on it at all? If so, chances are you probably have some type of purpose in life.
I have purpose in my life because I’ve been able to chose that purpose. My purpose is to be a good parent, to try and be a good person, to live a good life and be happy. That is what I have determined to be my purpose in life and when I see that I am accomplishing that it gives me a great feeling of satisfaction and accomplishment.
God doesn’t give people purpose in life, saying that he does is at worst a lie and at best an illusion intended to try and evoke a response in people. If there was some magical sky daddy watching everything we do on a daily basis that is no more of a purpose to life. You have to decide if you have a purpose and what that is going to be. Once you’ve decided you do have a purpose in life how could anyone really try and say that you don’t?
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