The Atheist That Hates

I believe everyone is agnostic. If there was the possibility of knowing for certain things would be completely different. Even people that say they know without a doubt that God does exist are only able to know to the extent that they can convince themselves and occasionally a few credulous others. There is no solid proof of existence, and non-existence can’t be proven.

Can you say you know for certain beyond all doubt that everything you listed does not exist on some realm/planet/dimension/ect? What about all the Greek, Roman, Norse, Hindu, and various other gods throughout history? The Egyptians actually had a crocodile God, Sobek, they worshiped him and even had crocodile hatcheries devoted to him. He was extremely real to the Egyptians that worked and traveled the Nile at the time, but we laugh it off as ridiculous now.

As of yet no one, at all, is able to prove beyond their own personal satisfaction that any God or gods exist. No one is able to completely disprove any type of existence. The only option available to anyone beyond their own personal view, which counts for essentially nothing in the scientific view, is that we can not know one way or another. That is that reason I chose to be Atheist. There is no reason for me to believe in any type of God because there is not the slightest bit of proof in favor of one.

As Richard Dawkins said when asked, if it is at all possible that some type of creator/deistic force/God of any kind could exist. He responded with (paraphrasing) it is possible that leprechauns exist. Any creature we can dream into fantasy could be real, but why would we possibly assert it to be real without the slightest bit of evidence?

I generally don’t comment on Protestants specifically. I do quite often comment on Catholicism. The main differences between the two would be that Catholics believe in transubstantiation where Protestants believe in consubstantiation. Protestants believe in sola scriptora, that scripture alone is enough for all of the answers. Where Catholics pull in a great number of sources to try and “clarify” or add to their doctrine and believe that the church is able to speak dogmatically when it comes to faith and morals. Protests also believe in sola fide, or that faith alone is enough for redemption. Catholics believe in the assumption and that the Virgin Mary was divine. These are some of the pretty basic dividing points. Usually the term “Christian” is used interchangeably amongst all Christian denominations. Is there something you’d like to particularly clarify?

With people like Kirk Cameron and Lee Strobel in particular I think that they are more or less con men that are simply using the story as part of their angle. They try to give themselves more credibility by sharing their personal story of how they used to be an Atheist or how they “turned around” their life. It seems to be a common enough tactic that I have to really question how sincerely they actually were Atheist.

I think it’s far more likely that they probably just didn’t care about religion. In Kirk Cameron’s case he was too busy studying for his PhD to be able to some day debate Stephen Hawking on scientific theory and shake the world with his ground breaking insight. Errr….wait, never mind, he’s just the guy that helped hold Ray Comfort’s banana. Alan Thicke was the real talent on Growing Pains.

There are certainly times that educated Atheists convert to Christianity. I’m not sure how strong Francis Collins was on his views before converting to Christianity but as far as educated he is about as good as they get. Usually it makes me a little disappointed to see someone like that decide to turn to fantasy. In Francis Collins’ case in particular it is such a ridiculous reason to suddenly jump on religion that it’s almost laughable.

The most common reason for steadfast Atheists to turn to Christianity is after an unexplainable personal experience. When someone goes through that type of experience it is much harder to rationalize it or look at it realistically. It’s also much harder for other people to comment on or help clarify what exactly happened since they didn’t have the experience. With that it is something that can not be proven, shown to other individuals, or recreated. There is really no reason outside of that individual to give the event any credit or relevancy.

The more educated people become the more likely they are to move away from religion. In the developed world especially people are moving away from religion in large numbers. I think the Catholic church in particular is almost certainly on it’s last leg. Overall as long as more people move away from religion than to religion it’s a positive sign, and I definitely think that’s how it’s going.

Yes, much like feminists will start pages and have rallies against misogyny, they feel strongly about their cause. Much like good police officers hate crime and injustice, they work every day to combat against it. Much like human rights activists who hate to see pain and suffering of people, they work to put an end to it. The evils of religion happens to be the subject I’ve personally chose to target because I feel I have a possibility of working to bring positive change and so many others have already spent their life working on it.

Chances are I’m really not doing enough. I should do more to wake people up the evils of religion and to help to finally put an end to it once and for all. I should be more active in the community of people who have survived the abuses of religion and are looking for answers to put back together their shattered life. I should attend city counsel meetings and get more involved in local government to try and identify and work against the injustices that happen every where and every day in the name of religion.

Starting a page is just the tip of what I can do. I should do more. Of course in answering this I realize you mean that comment to be derogatory. If you don’t care about suffering and harm in the world, fine, enjoy your privileged of being able to ignoring it. Don’t think for a moment though that snarky comments on the internet will deter me in the slightest, if anything it will make me want to redouble my efforts.

When I look for the most needless, most pointless, most idiotic pain and suffering in the world the root of it almost always goes directly to religion.

Interesting choice to be able to learn more but if it provides some good information I guess it could be worth while. I wouldn’t necessarily suggest lying because I generally don’t think it is something you should do when possible. Jehovah’s witnesses in particular can be a bit secretive and strict about their teachings. If they realize that you aren’t actually a member of their group they may be more hesitant to talk to you or share information with you. There are, of course, other ways to find the information so overall I’d say it’s probably better to be honest and just see what happens with it. If they happen to be a particularly open minded group it may even result in more interesting discussion.

Agnosticism in general is something I’m asked about every so often and usually have a somewhat different point of view on. Some people believe I’m a bit too hard on my view on it but personally I think that there is really no need for the term agnostic. I feel that everyone falls into the category of being agnostic, since no one is truly able to be “gnostic” and the term is rarely used.

People either do or do not believe in a God. The most common use of the agnostic term usually refers to someone who states “I don’t know” on if they believe in God or not. I don’t know is not an answer of what you believe. Even if someone refuses to provide an actual answer they do maintain a personal view point. People either live their life believing there is some type of “higher power” or they don’t.

All Atheists are agnostic, so are all theists. Since we are all agnostic there is no reason to add in the unnecessary term.

Thank you for the story, found it entertaining. I also think it’s a little funny that my friend and I were discussing something somewhat related to this just last night. The wiring from the instinctual part of brain to our rational brain is wired very strongly, the wiring back from the rational to the instinctual isn’t as well developed as the other way around. That’s why we will have instinctual override, that’s why we will override our rational mind and operate on instinct at times. I guess that could be what she is calling the heart making the decisions. It has a reasonable and sensible scientific explanation, some people just prefer to think a magician is living in their internal organs.

Agreed. It’s quite confusing. It’s someone not only asking but searching for someone to help control their life and to validate who they are. It seems that a bit of therapy of counseling may do a whole lot more for them than bible study will. It’s confusing and a bit frustrating to have someone say they fully want to embrace something they know doesn’t make sense simply because it makes them feel better. Masturbation for the “soul” maybe?

You admit to being a credulous person that happily accepts what you see to be as a comforting lie and I’m slandering it? Trust me, your own admission makes you look far worse than anything I could say will. I’ve heard it before “If I didn’t have God I’d be dead” and it’s a gigantic load of bull shit. It’s meant to evoke sympathy, one of the “don’t talk badly about my beliefs” emotional appeal deflections.

If you were going to kill yourself, you don’t need religion. You need actual help. You may need medication, counseling, evaluation, I don’t know what you personally need but I can say for certain it isn’t religion. Religion doesn’t cure mental disorders or disease.

Don’t try to feed me a load of shit that you experienced something magical and special that I simply can’t understand. You’re not a special snowflake chosen by God for a special purpose. You’re just a human being like everyone else. If you’re going to admit to believing lies and living in a world of fantasy it’s best you lock yourself away now so society doesn’t have to deal with your land of make believe.

If you need other people to validate you and give you purpose, you’ve obviously completely missed my first point.

No, that doesn’t prove that people need religion. It proves that people will go for what they see as a simple and easy answer, they will go for convenience over sustenance. People prefer a comforting lie over the honest truth, that certainly isn’t needed though. It’s exactly the kind of juvenile, irrational, and moronic thinking that needs to be done away with if we really want to better humanity. If you, as a semi-mature human being, feel the need to walk through life with a security blanket, you obviously have a lot of growing up left to do.

This is an interesting message. I hope that it is sincere. I am guessing you mean it makes you less afraid of hell? If you didn’t think hell really existed, would you have any reason to be afraid of it? If you knew other religions besides whatever religion you’ve chose have versions of hell, would you be afraid of theirs as well? Why stick with just one system of fear?

There is really nothing that anyone can say to assure you that your life has purpose and meaning beyond what you personally give to it. Even if someone says to you it is all part of God’s plan and design, that doesn’t change any aspect of how you live your life, it doesn’t change on bit of who you are. I find it personally to be demeaning, being reduced to the level of just another cog in the machine designed entirely for a predetermined purpose and nothing more. Aren’t you able to find your own purpose and meaning in life? Do you have goal and things you hope to accomplish? Isn’t that enough? Isn’t that a purpose? Why does the idea of doing it to make some sort of sky father happy make it any better or any more valid?

No one can really assure you of what happens after death. Anyone that attempts to tell you they know is a liar and a fraud. No one can honestly know what happens to us when we die. Choosing to believe what some people say happens when you die as the truth is only a personal choice, it isn’t necessarily real. If you search far and wide you will find hundreds of different thoughts for what could happen when we die. Religion likes to make up the most extreme and far fetched scenarios they can so that the possibility of it being true is pushed to such extreme levels there is no good reason to accept it.

Atheism isn’t a religion, it isn’t a means of support. It isn’t a guidance system or any type of system at all. It isn’t going to provide you comfort and reassurance. Truth does not need to influence emotions, it simply is what it is. If you are looking for consolation and something that can give you a warm fuzzy feeling, regardless of how true or valid it is, religion is probably perfect for you. We’ll all die someday, being afraid of death doesn’t stop it, it only makes the quality of your life worse.

People have been trying to say for hundreds of years that bible prophecies are being fulfilled. The doomsday lunatics aren’t a new phenomenon by any means. With so many people reading and studying the bible and so many people looking for ways to make it relevant to the real world they will try to draw connections that aren’t really there. The entire Seventh-day Adventist church was founded off of a failed doomsday prophet, even when they’re completely wrong, the faithful will follow.

If it was someone who was really religious and really devout I might even turn to the old bible. It says that no one outside of “God” will know when the end times are. There isn’t supposed to be an answer for that in the bible. The writers of the bible even specifically try to deter people for looking for an answer to when the end of the world will be with that.

People will never quit though. They will go on blaming natural disasters as the wraith of God for whatever they personally don’t like. They act as if these things didn’t occur in the past and don’t have a natural explanation. When people start throwing logic and reasoning out the window it usually goes down hill pretty quick.

I actually half way watched two episode of this last night to give it a try. I thought it was unintentionally pretty funny. The fact that their “expect” is a dentist should be a red flag from the first moment that you’re not going to hear anything spectacular. He sits around for about an hour at a time just saying “How could that happen? Nature, you’re amazing, why do you do that?” He basically just sits around and asks a bunch of questions and pretends like God is supposed to be some kind of answer.

I found it worth a laugh but actually trying to watch it would be pretty painful. He talks a lot about how he used to be an “evolutionist” but just had all these questions he couldn’t answer. So instead of looking for an answer he decided to start saying “God did it!” and turn it into what he hoped would be a money making tape series. If he honestly studied and looked into the stupid questions he was asking, he could find his questions, and none of it is “God did it!”.

Just because it has “been this way” also doesn’t make it a good thing. We used to think it was spirits and demons that caused illness and disease. We used to think the Earth was the center of the universe. We used to believe a lot of things we later learned to be incorrect. That’s part of religion’s problem, it can’t let go. We’d be better off without it but it still hangs around like an annoying mosquito carrying malaria.

You own personal beliefs are your own business. We have talked on and off for quite some time and I don’t question the fact that you’re very devoted to your religion. If you’re realistic though Jesus hasn’t done anything for you that you didn’t actually do yourself. He’s never “failed” you because he has no way of affecting your life in any form. That’s what makes your religious conviction unverifiable, that’s what makes it a delusion, because you believe it strongly but there is no solid factual reason that you can point to that would compel anyone outside of yourself to believe it.

If you look at the census numbers in United States alone the number of non-believers is continually growing. If you look at Europe many countries are becoming predominantly non-religious. Everywhere you look in the modern and developed world religion is losing it’s hold and being pushed out of the public forum. The only place religion is growing at all is in third world countries where they are more easily able to prey on uneducated and illiterate people.

Not sure what your point about Christmas being a consumer driven holiday necessarily is. As far as how the resistance to secularism is a great source of conflict I would think it is obvious. Whenever religion tries to push it’s way into public policy it is not only a problem, it is simply wrong. Whenever we have to hear more garbage about the anti-choicers wanting to take away the rights of women, whenever we have to hear about a “national day or prayer” or how we are a “Christian nation”, whenever we have to hear some lunatic talk about homosexuals destroying the “sanctity of marriage” it is all because they are fighting against a secular society. These aren’t even necessarily the worst examples we can point to.

There are sane, rational, intelligent religious people but if you profess to believe in a personal God on some level you are delusional. The very definition of a delusion is a belief that is unsubstantiated. If one person says they are talking to imaginary creatures we say that he is mentally ill but if a large group of people do it we call it a religion. The popularity of a delusion in no way makes it any less delusional.

This is not to say that religious people are mentally unstable necessarily. People can hold a few unfounded beliefs and still be relatively rational and sane human beings. It does seem to lend itself well to opening up more delusional beliefs and ideas. It can lead to delusions of grandeur, a completely unfounded self importance, why wouldn’t it when you believe you have a direct line to the most powerful being in all of existence?

Atheists and non-believers are essentially the same thing. There is really no difference in saying “I don’t believe in any type of God or Gods” and “I believe there is no such thing as God or gods”. The term “Atheist” has a negative stigma attached to it because people too often perceive it as a positive affirmation where someone can say “I know (for certain) there is no God or gods.”. Saying that you are an Atheist is not necessarily an affirmation of special knowledge. It’s simply stating that one does not personally believe in any type of deity.

The number of Atheists and non-believers is growing the world over every day. Religion is continuing to be pushed aside and a great number of those counted as religious are likely not. The world does not need more religion, it needs, it requires, secularism. The resistance to remaining a secular society is one of the greatest sources of conflict in the modern world and will continue to be until religion is finally pushed back enough that it no longer has the faintest influence on the public at large.

The old Communism and Atheism discussion always pops up. It seems like it is always the popular topic of discussion with Atheism when trying to paint it in a negative light. It seems like it is always getting misrepresented as well. I can understand why, because people see it as a perfect time to show how evil and horrible Atheism is, but it’s illogical.

It’s true that Stalin saw religion as a threat to his control. He saw it as something that could possibly compete with him or distract people from providing full devotion to his cause. He did want to get rid of religion but it is very poor wording to try and say that he forced people to be Atheist. You can’t force anyone to believe something, he may force them to profess their Atheism, but it’s impossible to force a person to believe.

He did his best to remove religion from society but people continued to be religious privately. People who believed in God still continued on to believe in God. People who did not, did not. I would have to agree with you that saying he “forced people to become Atheist” would be completely incorrect.

Well far be it for me to defend a religion for a change, but yes, you are wrong. There are Muslim charities as well and simply because they aren’t as prevalent in your area doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Given that in the United States we are dominated by Christians it’s not surprising that their charities are the ones that stand out the most. Muslim communities often work like most other communities dominated by a particular religion. They provide charity and work together in their community and when able to like to expand on globally.

With that being said I do generally worry about Islam as a religion a bit more than I do about Christianity but it is not as much of an issue in the Unites States right now as Christianity is. The reason I worry about Islam is very different than you and to be entirely honest your message seems to have a bit of general prejudice to it. Even if these other religious minorities did not provide charity, or not as much charity as their Christian counter parts why would that makes them any worse? Christians often do it with an ulterior motive as it is.

Personally I think they are both religions to worry about and keep an eye out for. Just because Christianity often approaches people with a meek and mild tone, extending a warm handshake before pulling you in to suck out all reason and logic, doesn’t make it any better. Good people will continue to do good things regardless of what religion they are. Religion provides no special ability for people to be generous and charitable.

This is another one of those types of arguments that is almost impossible to argue with. The arguments from personal experience. Chances are no matter how much you try and discuss it with her she will always believe she did see Satan because it is what she chooses to believe. There is clearly an explanation for what she saw, it could of been a hallucination, it could of been shadows or a figure she mistook for being something else, or she could have actual mental issues.

With someone who whole heartily believes something like that I would really try and find out more about their general mental well being. Ask them what they were doing when it happened, if “Satan” said or did anything, why they were the one to be visited. If they give you a bunch of answers that seem just as crazy as the original assertion chances are you’re dealing with someone with deep mental issues that you won’t have any chance of having a normal conversation on the topic with. Honestly I have no clue what could be considered a relatively “sane” answers to something like that other than “I was in the middle of the woods and ate a bunch of mushrooms I found right before he showed up.”

For people with a deeply held personal experience, there is little you can do to change their mind. It is often a situation where you have to simply say something along the lines of “You’ve obviously had a powerful experience that has affected you deeply. It is not something that you can show to anyone else, or even prove in any way that it was real. It is something that no one outside of yourself has any reason to believe whatsoever and can not be used as any form of proof for anything.” With that you’ll usually just have to brush off your hands and walk away as they continue to delude themselves with how “special” they are to have the “truth”.

I think the only way we can hope to change things is through education, progress, and working to gain better understanding. People cling to wishful thinking but they also often time cling to ignorance. The fact that people in this day and age can still be “creationists” is proof of that fact. People can often be afraid of change. It is an inevitability though, there will be change.

Education will be especially effective for future generations and for people to continue to progress and grow. Some ideas will only die off with time, when the people that advocate and support things like slavery, racism, misogyny, and misinformation, have passed away and the people that follow are able to move away from those ideas. Some of these ideas have to literally “die off” in order to not be part of our every day life.

I hope and believe that most people could be reached with the right information, explanation, and if they want to listen. People can change their point of view and can change their outlook in life over time. For some people though that are so set in their ways, so devoted to these false beliefs, they may be unreachable. Once people have spent 30, 40, or more years of their life deluding themselves into a comfortable little fantasy world, it’s next to impossible to drag them out of it.

I posted up the picture about the % of Americans that believe Jesus will be coming back before answering this to hopefully back up what I say a little. It isn’t just the odd Christians, it’s a LOT of Christians. The “end times” is something discussed in the bible and the return of Jesus is a fairly core teaching to Christianity. Honestly those that don’t believe Jesus will ever return seem to be contradicting their own religion, but it is becoming harder and harder for reasonable individuals to admit that they believe the fantasy stories of their own religion. It isn’t exclusive to Christians either. Most religions have their own vision of an apocalypse or “judgement day” or whatever they chose to call it.

Religion is obsessed with death and obsessed with being correct. Religion has to come up with these horror stories to try and frighten people into believing and donating. It has to try and drive people against their own logic and reasoning to accept something so stupid. Religion has to try and control every aspect of life and death for people and isn’t even happy at that, it wants to go beyond death and make sure you’re controlled there as well.

The predictions of the end of the world certainly aren’t going to stop. Mr. Camping already said something along the lines of “it happened, but it didn’t happen, now we’ll all just die in October, no hell on earth though” righttttt…. but I bet he is still getting donations, and will continue to gladly accept them. Chances are he won’t be reimbursing the people who wasted their entire life savings on his campaign of idiocy. Chances are he’ll lose some followers but most of them will stick with him. Just another perfect example of how being “right” in religion doesn’t matter the slightest.

If I thought I could honestly reach the people that believe in this garbage I would tell them to stop worrying about it. It doesn’t matter. If everyone in the world is going to die from some cataclysmic catastrophe chances are you can’t do a thing about it anyways. You could keep planning for the end of the world a few years from now and get hit by a bus tomorrow, what will it matter then? Quit squandering life, quit wasting it, and especially quit wishing it away. Just live your life and be a good person, stop it with all the hokey pokey doom and gloom garbage.

I’ve found it is one of the most frustrating arguments to try to deal with. The people that say that you just “can’t understand” God or “haven’t tried hard enough” or some other random nonsense line meant to dismiss the entire argument. It’s mean to try and present an insurmountable challenge that can’t be argued against.

There isn’t really a satisfactory way to go against these type of arguments, the best you can do is to try and get someone to realize how ridiculous of a view point it even is. If God is supposed to reach all people why is it not something innate? Why are there hundreds of different religions and Gods if there is only one true God? Why is it that thousands and thousands of people believed that they understood God completely yet had completely different views than your mother or anyone else does? I doubt that she would be able to come up with a satisfactory explanation for that.

As far as disproving God, she’s right, there is no way to prove non-existence. Non-existence isn’t something that should need to be proven. Just as you can’t disprove God she can’t disprove zombie unicorns. That’s part of the discussion that shouldn’t even need to take place. No one should take an argument seriously when there is absolutely no evidence in favor of it, but sadly with religion it still happens constantly.

I’d suggest if you really want to move the conversation forward with your mom, just ask what it is that she thinks you’re incapable of or lacking. Ask her what special ability is needed in order to be able to “understand God”. If she is actually able to state something, you can ask her why she believes that is needed. Why would there be prerequisites or requirements in order to be able to understand this eternal being that supposedly wants everyone to know and love him? Chances are you may learn more about what your mother is personally lacking that makes her turn to religion, that will open up a whole new set of possible topics.

I have actually posted two pictures of myself at different times. Neither one of them really reveals a whole lot though. I like to remain somewhat private on this page so I don’t get overly personal with it. I look pretty much like a typical mid 20’s white male. Thank you though. :)

For the most part it doesn’t sound like you’re doing anything wrong to me. Atheism is not something that you can force people into, it’s not something you can trick someone into believing for emotional or selfish reasons, it’s really something that someone just has to come to or never leave from, on their own. There is definitely nothing wrong with being informed. Sadly most people are very uninformed and don’t even want to take the time to understand religion and religious beliefs.

Personally I’d suggest trying to talk to your mom. When people get defensive of religion it can often be a difficult subject to approach. I would just try to be honest and let her know you just want your sister to have the information and to be able to look at it from an intelligent point of view. You want her to be able to think for herself and make a better informed decision, but whatever decision she makes will be her own. I don’t think there is any reasonable parent that could hold that against you. Good luck with everything and hope it works out well for you.

I’ve always like what Christopher Hitchens says about freewill, “Of course we have freewill, we don’t have a choice.” When it is said like that it is meant to sound a little funny. It is such a preposterous idea, an all powerful, all knowing, all seeing being gave us the will to do whatever we want, but he is still supposedly all knowing. It is a complete contradiction, if our actions are known before they occur it is not free will, if we have free will, god is not all knowing because he could not foresee our actions.

I think that the idea of complete “freedom” often frightens religious people. They worry that being completely free, and free from a worry of God, will lead to complete anarchy. They want to have a guiding hand watching them, they want to be servile, they don’t really want to be “free”. That is why they have to come up with a way to try and confine it within their religious fence. “You can do whatever you want, but if you do this….or this….or these things, you’ll be punished forever! Oh, also, you have to do this list of things…”

I’m honestly not sure if there is a good way to argue against someone like that. In order to have a logical discussion both people have to at least make an attempt to be logical. Trying to talk about the pain that others do or do not experience can be tricky because it is always a subjective experience. It’s different for everyone. When dealing with the problem of evil and suffering it is hard to improve on the original, Epicurus:

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

Usually it will spill from there into a discussion of “evil” being part of “God’s plan” or necessary or some other garbage at this point. It at least puts the position out there plainly where the theist has to make some kind of attempt to address the question.

I don’t actually. I’ve really been thinking about starting up a twitter page though under this name since my ask box has been a little more quiet the last few weeks than I’m used to. Would be a bit more random and personal with it but haven’t gotten around to it yet.

It’s a little funny, I am familiar with George Lemaitre, and I think his story serves as a perfect example of the incompatibility of religion and science. It shows how, on at least some level, they can not peacefully co-exist. Lemaitre was the first to come up with the idea that we refer to now as the big bang and talked of a “primeval atom” that exploded out like a fireworks explosion into the universe. He was a contemporary of Einstein and the two often disagreed on the topic and had many discussions related to it.

When Lemaitre first came up with his theory he took it to Pope Pius XII quite excitedly. The Pope looked over his theory and was quite excited as well. He told Lemaitre that if he wanted the Pope could go ahead and make it dogma that way everyone would have to believe it. Thankfully Lemaitre was more enlightened on the issue than the Pope and rejected his offer. Lemaitre even said of it later “As far as I can see, such a theory remains entirely outside any metaphysical or religious question. It leaves the materialist free to deny any transcendental being… For the believer, it removes any attempt at familiarity with God… It is consonant with Isaiah speaking of the hidden God, hidden even in the beginning of the universe.”

Religion can not be based on science because science will happily change it’s views when needed. That leaves religion open to fallibility which is quite dangerous for anyone attempting to say they have all the answers. Religion often likes to highjack the findings of science and use it as a way of confirming it’s previously held conviction but again that makes no sense. Religion will say “No, no, no that can not possibly true” until it is proven to be overwhelmingly true and they will then spin around and say “Look at all the wonder of God’s creation.”

Religion isn’t satisfied with just looking for answers and letting the information lead us where it may. Religion has to assert that it is absolutely correct, if it doesn’t, why follow it over any other form of possible religions? Religion also can not be simply satisfied with letting it’s adherents believe what they chose to believe, they have to look to impose that upon other people. They have to show others why they are correct in order to keep the pews and the coffers filled. Religion and science will never come to a harmonious agreement. Science will win out, I have really no doubt about that, it’s just a matter of how many years people will still clutch to their ragged old worthless bibles before finally letting go and looking to the future.